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David

Marc, As for classical music lacking that "extra dimension" I would suggest, for example, the late Beethoven piano sonatas. I think you'll find all of the "personalities, dramas, hidden messages, life stories and... poetic component" that you can handle. BTW, jazz hasn't been hip for awhile. Hip-hop is hip. Techno/dance is hip, especially in Europe. Jazz is nerd music. Nevertheless, your analysis of the "Jazz Eyes" cover is brilliant!

Brew

As for your first of this Sunday's bits, Marc, I doubt that a) jazz listeners or fans are better, or more intelligent, or more curious than other music aficionados. -- Hey, I've met some of the most ignorant, and indifferent people on the vast field of jazz.

b) There is also a lot of "jazz" of the kind you're talking about (the soon to become famous Marc Myers's "bowl-of-soup-statement"), the so called "lounge jazz", or a very famous female vocalist, named N. J., or a certain German trumpeter who is now hosting a pop-stars show on TV ... sorry, but it has to be said!

Anyway, it's never *the* jazz fans are so-and-so, or *the* classical fans are this-and-that.

All humans are different, and I still think that jazz, and other music is heard mostly by humans ;)

By the way, David is right with Beethoven, at least when you're listening to this splendid, and very old rendition of his 32nd Sonata in C#-minor, Op. 111:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpiPHjSRUOg

A hidden message Beethoven's can be found here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9f5GqmSAaeI

And Mozart's music? It's loaded with so many hidden clues, and hints that even Bird would look like a chorus boy, compared to him!

Ehsan Khoshbakht

From my own experience, and as a guy who enjoys jazz and rock simultaneously, I must say that I have the same feeling about the hipness of jazz people. I have a very simple theory: when somebody loves Cootie Williams there must be SOMETHING wrong with him/her! I can always get in tune with these people. Receive their signals and enjoy the existence of a certain intellectual quality in their manners and thoughts. The "nowness" of jazz people is something I really believe in. But regarding two comments before me, I can't deny that this isn't going to guarantee anything. I'm sure there whole lot of different people and it is possible (I'm just saying it is) that Stalin likes Lennie Tristano, but this isn't going to save him or give him extra credit!

Brew

You didn't have to go to the USSR, Ehsan, for finding jazz fans in "high" political circles (although I strongly doubt that Stalin was a very excessive jitterbug, hehehe!).

Joseph Goebbels, the devil himself was apparently a big swing fan who had a huge collection of records which were forbidden for the average people in Germany from 1933 to 1945.

You're right of course: A person who loves Cootie Williams isn't necessarily a bad guy. But who knows?

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